Where I live (Switzerland) we opened a debate in class. What motivates a person to vote for Trump in the USA. The idea is not to criticize but to have a constructive discussion. If anyone is interested, we can open a discussion here.

Through our media in Europe, we get the impression that his strategy is to criticize and release enormity that activates the emotions of voters who no longer seek to be critical of the content.

He’s a criminal, a rapist, a woeful businessman and serial cheater who can’t stop lying He’s got no policies and just doesn’t want to go to jail so is happy to be the project 2025 peoples puppet He’s dangerous People only want to vote for him because he allows them to be their worst selves - you can be ignorant, racist, rude… if the national leader can why can’t you? And they vote for him out of fear about his lies about immigrants and because they think because he’s rich he can save economies despite his business models often relying on milking things, taking the money and filing bankruptcy (That’s what I learned in school, we did the same topic lol - but it checks out)

I think it’s a pretty good analysis. A little rough but good. I think we can unanimously say that it is dangerous for democracy.

He is openly sexist, and uses social media and tv to throw accusations without any proof. Most of them are completely silly but people believe them. Trump alone is not a danger. The half of the americans who worship him are.

Because using social media and people’s internet history it’s easy to find out what people care about, and target advertisements to those topics Trump doesn’t need to be good, he just needs to make his opponent sound worse. Basics of politics now it seems

Taking advantage of an hurting population desperate for change, someone who goes against the establishment living in a two party system. Add the history of racism of the US and that it is an highly religious country it’s not hard to see how he was able to scam a large enough portion of the electorate.

Some people seem to have such loyalty to their party that they will vote for anyone. There was a joke in the UK that certain people would vote for a chimpanzee if it wore the right coloured rosette. But I have also seen posts on-line from people who have said that Trump is so unsuitable as a president that they have reconsidered their allegiance. But I also think Trump has been tapping into people’s prejudices and saying whatever they want to hear in the hope of being elected, unconstrained by either evidence or what he has said on a previous occasion.

Exactly Trump has no policies… probably not even “concepts of” policies He’s just trying to stay out of jail and will lying and evangelize to his poorly educated sheep

Fascinating points, but I’ll say this. The candidates on both sides are terrible and that fact is undeniable. The population of the United States is approximately 345 million people. The two running are the best they have? One is a diabolical human being and the other couldn’t find her way out of a cardboard box and was installed without process they have in place in that country. Think about that for a moment … it is gross. All empires throughout history have fallen. I suspect it is the United States turn and either one of these clowns fits the bill to help the process along.

Since I am too young vote, I tend to stay out of politics , our country is not longer a great nation and will leave it at that

US elections

BlackParadePixie

Ames I’m sure you’re an expert.

Ames

BlackParadePixie I’m not but I listen to people who are
Don’t you think it’s wrong that people are being kidnapped and deported without any kind of fact checking or trial?
You don’t think Trump is good do you?

BlackParadePixie

kidnapped?

oh boy…

Alex

BlackParadePixie what would you call it when someone isn’t really arrested - they’re just taken and denied constitutionally enshrined due process - no trial or opportunity to defend and provide evidence and sent to a foreign prison in a country that’s not even where they originate?

BlackParadePixie

I would call it…don’t care. What due process? They’re not citizens.

Alex

BlackParadePixie
“Anne Frank? Oh yeah she’s illegally behind that wall over there”

Due process is for everybody not just citizens

Apathy sucks :/

Miguel-Angel

BlackParadePixie How do they know they are not citizens if they do not check?

BlackParadePixie

Oh a Nazi reference. How cute.

Alex

BlackParadePixie it’s not cute, being blasé about fascism is anything but cute - but it’s what you’re saying “people here illegally shouldn’t have or expect any rights”
ICE already locked up a brown guy with no cause who was passenger in a car even though he was a citizen - it took pressure on courts to get his birth certificate seen and even they didn’t want to release him but it got global media attention
Just watch your tan this summer I guess :/

If you’re comfortable with abuse because it doesn’t affect you… well hopefully someone stamps it out before you become a category they find undesirable

Colin97

Alex How about enter the country the proper way? If you are somewhere, anywhere, illegally then no, you do not have any rights. And I say this as someone who immigrated and went through all the proper channels. When caught, expect to pay the price. My family spent THOUSANDS doing it the right way. I don’t feel sorry for people getting rounded up and shipped off, particularly those who are didn’t follow the process in place. Whether or not you agree with the process or not is arbitrary. It exists and if you don’t follow the rules, expect consequences for your stupid decision.

I think you should educate yourself and learn to critically think instead of following an asinine narrative and resorting to calling people fascists.

BlackParadePixie

A 14 year old telling me about fascism.

LOL

Alex

BlackParadePixie
Am I wrong?

BlackParadePixie

Yes, you’re way in over your head.

Or you’re not really 14.

Alex

BlackParadePixie So the government isn’t doing fascist things if I’m 14 or they are if I’m older?

Not sure I get the logic on that lol

Well one last question then - do you really think the government should be able to grab and deport people without proof or evidence and without a trial?

BlackParadePixie

yawn

Alex

Checkmate it is

Sad when the pretty ones support tyranny 🙁

BlackParadePixie

You’re funny, kid.
And oooooh wow….checkmate…yeah. I’d rather not bother with loaded questions and lazy arguments.

There’s nothing intellectual or clever about calling Trump a fascist. It’s a lazy, tired argument.

Alex

BlackParadePixie
Okay lady whatever you say 🙄

It’s not an argument, Trump is a fascist… and a rapist… and a rapist… and a pedo… and a criminal… and a dumbass

And if you support the guy it’s a bit creepy that you’re hanging out in a teen forum still

BlackParadePixie

When he starts rounding people up and sluahgtering them by the millions you give me a call, chief.

Alex

Yeah because letting him get to that point without pushing back is sooo smart

Selune

Alex
Definitely
He needs to go, he’s a menace and he’s in breach of his oath of office

It hurts seeing people who seem decent supporting or defending Trump he he’s attacking and stripping rights from people

Selune

Colin97 yes for sure, but that’s irrelevant to what’s happening
They’re denying people due process
They could decide you and your family don’t need to be here and just ship you off, dump you in an another country or foreign prison and seize your assets etc without you being able to say in court or to anyone who wants to listen that you’re legal

They’re have already done this, they’ve sent someone who entered legally, was doing everything right to the El Salvador prison with no trial or opportunity prove legal status

They’re going against the constitution

Miguel-Angel

Colin97 Oh yes, immigrating to the USA is only for rich people. You could afford it, Elon Musk could afford it… but those “thousands of dollars” are a full year before-taxation wage in mexico. Maybe you must go to the statue of liberty and take your chisel with you, to remove the saying of accepting everyone, even poor.

If you want people to follow the “legal way” then fix the immigration system in the US

Samantha

Colin97

So fuck the people who would are in fear of their lives or don’t have the money.

Right?

Answer me this:
How is it possible to apply for asylum while in the country of one’s birth?

Favianos

Colin97

It’s not that simple. When people enter illegally a country, most of the time, it is not a sudden new hobby, it is to flee the situation in their country (dictature, persecution, war, unemployment, poverty), they just want to get a better life for them and their family

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